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		<title>Still leaving Orange...</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Gidden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Continuing on from my previous post about leaving Orange... I got a call from Orange Customer Relations (07973100194) this morning about the PAC code I ordered on Saturday. The woman calling was very nice and polite, was calling to get me back as I am a "high valued customer".  Once I explained why I was leaving, she got the point that I had made up my mind, and instead asked if I could elucidate so she could pass on my comments as constructive criticism.  We had a long and pleasant chat.

I basically told her all the points in my original post, gave her all the information she needed about the new tariff on Three, and explained what I thought Orange needed to do to become really competitive again.  She didn't argue my assumption that they weren't going to be able to give me a deal as good as the one Three have given me (ten times the minutes for half the price).
In fact, she mentioned that she hadn't heard about the offer I got from Three, and that it was only through conversations like this that Orange really got an idea of what's out there and popular.  Glad to be of help.  (Incidentally, it's this one.)
She was interested that they'd given me a refurbished handset, and I explained that that might be a way of reducing the tariff cost: perhaps even offering an ultra-cheap no-handset tariff, for those with existing phones and those with knowledge of eBay!
She brought up an interesting point when I mentioned that Three's 2G service was going to be moved from O2 to Orange, therefore giving me the coverage I'm used to. She said that I should be careful with that because Orange wasn't going to give them full UK coverage.  I'm not sure exactly what she meant by that, but interesting to know all the same.  We also talked about Three's heritage and how one of their directors was ex-Orange.
My final point was about how I felt that Orange had lost their innovative lead, and that to get me back would require them to start being smart again, rather than being just another network.  Giving their customers features and offers because they should, not just because they *need* to.  I explained that Three was trying a lot harder than Orange seemed to be and that if they got that feeling back, I'd be happy to return to Orange once my new contract expired.
Anyway, I was happy to have this conversation, as I'm always happy to give companies any feedback they need to improve their service.  The woman calling was very pleasant and polite, and incredibly well-trained and informed.  It wasn't the hard sell that I got on Friday morning, which as I said before didn't exactly endear me to the idea of staying with them.
It's a shame I had to leave before they decided to take on my feedback, though.  Orange used to be very big on loyalty.  Nowadays, you've got to leave (or threaten to leave) to get a good deal out of them.  Of course, preferential treatment to new customers makes sense on the balance sheet, but real common-sense says to keep existing customers happy to prevent churn.]]></description>
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		<title>Leaving Orange after ten years</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Gidden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just called Orange customer relations to request my PAC code after finally deciding to move to "3" or Three as I'll call them from now.  I've been a contract customer with Orange for just over ten years, and I'm just no longer feeling the love.

Orange started off as an innovative company, seemingly unaffected by the failure of the related "Rabbit" CT2 enterprise.  Unlike Cellnet and Vodafone, the more conservative established alternatives at the time, Orange offered a whole slew of innovative features such as Line 2, free voicemail, free Call Waiting, free itemised billing, free insurance, free 0800 calls, inclusive minutes bundles, and most of all: lower prices, even on international calls.
To achieve these features, they worked closely with Nokia.  If I remember correctly, Orange were the ones responsible for getting features like Line 2 and voicemail signalling into the standards.  Rather than just selling a premade product, they wanted to create new and innovative ways of using a mobile phone.
Orange Care was the real killer app for me, though.  I remember trashing my phone on several occasions and getting a free replacement very quickly: once I got a replacement 7110 delivered to me at work two hours after I'd accidentally dropped the old one in the (clean and pine-scented) toilet.  No charge.  This service apparently was the cause of the delayed releases of new handsets, as Orange sent new models back to the drawing board when they didn't live up to the QA standards necessary for the insurance scheme.
This was the old Orange.  This was before Hans Snook left.  This was before Pay-As-You-Go.  This was before they got bought out.
Since then, Orange have seemed to stop innovating, both from a technical and a business perspective.  Customer service quality has plummeted.  It used to take about two rings to get through to a very well-trained CS rep, who would quickly put you through to 3rd Line support if it was clear that you knew what you were talking about. Nowadays it sometimes takes ages just to get through to someone with a script in front of them, and they seemed to be well trained at saying "No", and "We don't offer that", and other disappointing responses.
Orange Care is now £6 a month extra, and includes a whole bunch of exclusions and a rather hefty excess.  In other words, it's the same as everyone else's network.  I haven't actually used Orange Care in about five or six years, but it's something I've paid for diligently anyway, for the peace-of-mind.  I could have bought about five new phones on the money I've spent on Orange Care.
The final straw was a fairly trivial note I just noticed at the bottom of last month's Orange bill:  "...We will be charging £1.50 for itemised billing."  Now, I don't actually care *that* much, as I rarely read my phone bill anyway, but I remember one of those little things that made Orange better than Cellnet and Vodafone was their free itemised billing.  It's the principle.  Yet another sign that they've regressed.
The offers given to new customers are a hell of a lot better than those available to old, loyal customers, but even those offers are far too expensive for what you get. Back when I joined, you got everything for £15 a month.  That's on a 12 month contract, with a free decent phone included.  Now I'm paying almost £30 for pretty much the same deal: 60 minutes of talk time and 30 texts.  I've been paying them anywhere from about £20 to £100 a month for ten years, and usually overpaying them if anything.  I'm only using an average of 42 minutes a month, but they can't offer me a cheaper tariff.
So, here comes Three.  Dumb name, and one that makes it difficult to Google, but their attitude seems strangely familiar.
Looking a bit deeper, I find out that Three's full name is "Hutchison 3G UK Limited".  Not too different from the "Hutchison Telecommunications UK Limited" that launched Orange back in 1994.  Back then, "Orange" was a pretty odd name for a mobile phone network, just as Three is an odd name now.  Back then, Orange were the only ones risking running on a solely 2G phone network, while Cellnet and Vodafone's relied on 1G.  Not too dissimilar from Three rolling out a 3G network so quickly, and handing off the 2G fallback to O2 (and soon to Orange, fortunately).
In so many ways, Three reminds me of what Orange used to be.
Three is the new Orange.
And today, they've launched "X-Series"... flat-fee mobile broadband with free Skype-to-Skype calls.  £5 a month.  This thing could kickstart the stagnant mobile internet market.  It's the kind of industry-wrenching, business-plan-defying fantastic lunacy we used to expect from Orange.  Exactly the kind of thing that makes their less insightful competitors poo-pooh it, and their more insightful competitors poo-poo themselves.  It's what the consumers want, and it's going to happen.  Everyone else is on catch-up now.
Considering the way I currently use my mobile, I'm not going to go for "X-Series" for now.  I can't justify the expense considering how much I actually use my mobile, and I also don't want the Nokia N73 I'd have to use to get it:  I'm sick of "smartphones", which I think are more suitably named "slow-and-crashy-phones".  I've been using a Nokia 6680 for about a year, and it's just slow and crap.  My friend Steve has an N70, which is similarly slow and crap.  I had a 7650 before then, as a result of the Orange video trial I participated in, and it's just slow and crap.  I wouldn't mind having a Blackberry or something like that, but right now, I'd just be happier with a small phone that works well, as long as it's got Bluetooth.  I could even do without a camera.
Anyway, as far as I can tell, Orange are just yet another network now.  Very full of themselves, knowing full well they've got market share, and they just do not care about customer churn.  They know they've got a good network, so why try harder?  France Telecom seems content to just sit on the cash-cow.  After talking to Orange CR for a few minutes to get my PAC code, I don't think they (or their computer) cares if I leave or not.  If anything, the girl on the phone just got slightly snippy and argumentative with me, before giving up.
So, I've signed up to Three.  £15 a month for 18 months, and then up to £30 a month, although I'll probably renegotiate at that point and perhaps move somewhere else.  I get a Nokia 6280 refurb, which should do the trick.  It's got iSync compatibility, and it's not a "smartphone", so it has a chance of actually working smoothly.  I'll get 600 minutes a month for six months and then 300 minutes after that.  2000 texts a month for six months, and then down to 1000 texts, which is still about 30 times what I actually need.  It also includes MSN Messenger "free for life", which could be fun.
On paper, this looks like the right move.  I have no idea it'll actually play out, but I must say I can't wait for my new phone to arrive tomorrow(!)
I'm going to transfer my number over to Three, but I'll get an Orange PAYG SIM just for fun (and for Orange Wednesdays), and I'll probably get my phone unlocked so I've got a spare.  Otherwise, I'm no longer a loyal Orange customer.
Sort it out, Orange.  You suck.  I'm Three's bitch now.
Three, please don't disappoint me now.]]></description>
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